Summary of Feb. 8th meeting, by Tom Loredo

Summary of Feb. 8th meeting, by Tom Loredo Greetings, SPSers-

We had a productive meeting yesterday, with 10 group members present in person or teleconically (to coin a term).

A main topic of conversation regarding the two papers we discussed was the absence of the following characteristics of astronomical survey data in the existing literature applying survival analysis methods to such data:

The statisticians present noted there is existing work on random truncation and random censoring that might address these issues. This will be the topic of future meetings, as will more explicit parametric treatment of of some of these complications.

Another significant topic was the "two cultures" of survey analysis: one approach ("model-based") that emphasizes forward modeling via likelihood and Bayesian methods and the survey selection function, the other ("design-based") based more on an "inverse problem" perspective, where the data get reweighted to account for unobserved objects. The model-based approach appears best suited for handling measurement error and is straightforward for parametric models, but there is little if any astrostat work on non- or semi-parametric modeling of surveys with this approach. In the design-based approach, nonparametric modelling is much more straightforward, but there is no astrostat work that brings to this approach the ability to handle biases due to source uncertainties (Malmquist, etc.) that is automatically handled in the model-based approach. We hope our group will find new directions to pursue to meld the two approaches, or at least transfer capability between them.

A few good sources of information (published and online) were cited in the discussion. The web page will soon have links to two papers by Martin Hendry and his colleagues on these topics, and information about how the 2MASS survey quantifies source uncertainties, both for detected and undetected objects.

I will again lead the next meeting. The topic will be a basic discussion of the effects of measurement error in size-frequency distributions (what astronomers often call "log N - log S" distributions).

In two weeks, we are tentatively scheduling presentations by Martin Hendry on Malmquist-Eddington bias, and Haywood Smith on Lutz-Kelker bias. The main goal is to communicate what astronomers mean by these terms to statisticians, in the hope that they have arisen and been treated in other disciplines, from which we might learn new techniques for handling them.

Future topics, without a firm date yet set:

If you'd like to prepare a presentation on any of these topics, or if there is another topic you'd like to lead a discussion on, please contact me. You needn't lead the full 1 1/2 hours; short contributions are very welcome (and perhaps preferable).

I'll send out a reminder soon about the next meeting.

Cheers,
Tom